More than nine months after the highly classified counterintelligence investigation into alleged collusion between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia, FBI lawyer Lisa Page said lead investigators still could not find any collusion.
According to a transcript of Lisa Page’s recent closed-door deposition, Page confirmed Strzok could find nothing, nada, zip.
“I think this represents that even as far as May 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” Page said.
Lisa Page was responding to Republican Rep. John Ratcliffe of Texas, who requested more information about a May 2017 text message where
Page sat for the transcribed interview before the House Judiciary and Oversight committees in mid-July as part of a joint congressional investigation into the Justice Department’s handling of the Russia and Clinton email probes.
According to the transcript, Lisa Page stopped mid-answer.”…sorry. Can I consult with counsel? I’m sorry. I need to consult with FBI counsel for a moment.”
Sections of the transcript reviewed by John Ratcliffe pursued the line of questioning at least three more times, and Page provided varying answers.
“I cannot provide the specifics of a confidential interview,” Ratcliffe said to Fox News when asked. “But I can say that Lisa Page left me with the impression, based on her own words, that the lead investigator of the Russian collusion case, Peter Strzok, had found no evidence of collusion after nearly a year.”
The text sent on May 18, 2017, was highlighted by IG Michael E. Horowitz in his recent report about the handling of the Clinton email probe by the FBI and the Justice Department.
The day after Robert Mueller’s appointment to the Russia probe on May 17, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page discussed whether Strzok should join Mueller’s team
“Who gives a f*ck, one more A(ssistant) D(irector)…(versus) (a)n investigation leading to impeachment?” Strzok texted on May 18, according to the IG report. Strzok later continues, “…you and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there.”
The transcript shows John Ratcliffe read the text exchange nearly verbatim to Lisa
Page said: “No, I don’t think so. I think it’s a reflection of us still not knowing…It still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing, probably not nothing nothing, as we probably knew more than that by that point. But in the scheme of the possible outcomes, the most serious one obviously being crimes serious enough to warrant impeachment; but on the other scale that, you know, maybe an unwitting person was, in fact, involved in the release of information, but it didn’t ultimately touch any senior, you know, people in the administration or on the campaign. And so the text just sort of reflects that spectrum.”
During the deposition, Lisa Page said she was not trying to be “cagey,” however there were restrictions on what she could actually reveal. “I’m not supposed to talk about the sufficiency of the evidence, so that’s why I am weighing my words carefully.”
Page continued: “Investigations are fluid, right? And so at various times, leads are promising and leads fade away. And so I can’t — I can’t answer more his sentiment with respect to this particular text, but certainly at this point the case had been ongoing. We didn’t have an answer. That’s obvious. And I think we all sort of went back and forth about like what — what the answer was really going to be.”
May 2017 is a key month because FBI DIrector James Comey was fired by President Donald Trump and Robert Mueller was then designated as special counsel.
In August, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Robert Mueller, wrote the still-secret “scope memo” spelling out the boundaries for the special counsel investigation into
The texts as well as Lisa Page’s response, congressional sources said, raise a lot of significant questions about the Russian collusion probe’s predicate and whether by the summer of 2017 it had largely shifted to an obstruction case, not a Russia collusion probe.
Fox News asked Lisa Page’s lawyer for a comment on the congressman’s assessment of the deposition, but there was no immediate response.
When Horowitz asked Strzok about the “no big there there” text, Strzok said: “My question (was) about whether or not this represented a large, coordinated conspiracy or not. And from that, as I looked at what would give me professional fulfillment, what I thought would be the best use of my skills and talents for the FBI and for the United States, whether to take, which path to take.”
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